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Brighton neighbors decry plan to move bathrooms from in front of posh Oceana Condos

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Call it a tale of two toilets.

The city now says it is willing to relocate the embattled Boardwalk bathrooms it planned to put on the beach in front of a ritzy Brighton Beach condo complex — but neighbors say moving the loos is just brown-nosing the rich.

The $6-million public toilets, to be paid for with federal funds, must be mounted atop 20-foot stilts to comply with new federal flood standards, which would block the ocean views of some units of the upscale Oceana Condominiums, causing an uproar among residents.

In an effort to block the bathrooms, residents of the Oceana Homeowner’s Association sued the city last March for not following proper procedures for the project. A judge agreed, and ordered the Parks Department to conduct and environmental impact study before work could proceed.

The city recently finished the study, which concluded that the intended location — the original site of the Sandy-smashed comfort station being replaced — was just fine for the controversial commodes.

But instead of pushing ahead with the original plan, the Parks Department floated an alternative location for the lofty latrines at a March 20 public meeting at the nearby Shorefront Y — namely, directly in front of the Shorefront Y.

Oceana residents applauded the new plan, but other Brighton Beachers accused Parks of pandering to the condo complex’s wealthy residents.

“I feel like the alternative plan is motivated by the very wealthy in the neighborhood,” argued 60-year Brighton Beach resident Larry Fish.

Others claimed that digging and pouring new footings would be the equivalent of flushing tax money down the toilet, at a time when many public greenspaces are still in disarray after 2012’s superstorm.

“There are still parks across Southern Brooklyn still devastated from Hurricane Sandy, and people are being told there is no money for repairs,” said Brighton Beach activist Ida Sanoff. “I would like to know how this is justified!”

Worse, if the new bathrooms aren’t built in the same place as the pre-Sandy loos, the Federal Emergency Management Agency may not pick up the tab — so relocating the restrooms could end up being a $6-million sop to the wealthy condo owners.

Leaders at the Shorefront Y said that the construction of the bathrooms outside their building could damage the fragile piping of their popular indoor pool, and draw seedy Boardwalk characters near their playground.

“It would cause irreparable damage to the Shorefront Y,” said Susan Fox, president of the 65-year-old community center.

Even some Oceana tenants were troubled that the new location would hurt those in the wider community who use the Y.

“This proposal is designed to appease a small group of well-to-do Oceana owners, at the expense of the much broader neighborhood,” condo owner Boris Kantor shouted over the boos of his neighbors. “If this proposal is accepted, it will be the most brazen act of discrimination against low-income seniors.”

But other Oceana residents said those who protested moving the toilets from the condos to the community center were acting out of jealousy.

“You want to stick this in my face because I live in a beautiful building called Oceana and you live in a dump!” declared Dmitry Geyber.

The Parks Department said it would make its final decision after taking into account the comments made at the meeting.

Reach reporter Will Bredderman at wbredderman@cnglocal.com or by calling (718) 260-4507. Follow him at twitter.com/WillBredderman.

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INGA from Sheepshead Bay says:
Why city is willing to spend taxpayers money to satisfy 1%? Very simple. Some local pols are already benefited from Oceana residents donations.
March 24, 11:14 am
jerry from brighton beach says:
I attended this meeting. This is the worse I have ever seen of our political "so called" leaders pander to the Oceana Community constituents. From Boro President Eric Adams, Cong. Hakeem Jeffries, Assemblyman Cymbrowitz, AND THE MOST PANDERING ELECTED OFFICIAL SEN. DIANE SAVINO.
Since this is an election year the elected officials will say & do anything for votes and money contributions for their campaigns.

If there ever was a "Pay for Play" effort this is the Poster Boy of ALL TIMES.
By the way, I think most of the residents of Oceana are registered Republicans.
The attitude of the Ocean residents is let's waste taxpayer monies , who cares. So it will cost a million or so to move the bathrooms, who cares. This is reflected by the elected officals too!
You might think that Parks was building a plutonium reactor in front of their condo.
This is the simple case of the Haves vs. the Have Nots.
Mayor DeBlasio called for equality among New Yorkers , this is a example of the oppposite.
And by the way Sen. Chuck Schumer is no better, while there are many issues in this country that we have to deal with , where the Ocean bathrooms are located is NOT ONE OF THEM.
I wonder how much money was contributed to Schumer's campaign funding from Oceana residents.
Looking at Oceana's Legal Fund raising ( over $78,000) it must be plenty.
March 24, 11:26 am
victor from brighton beach says:
Completely agree with Jerry. Most residents there cannot stand democratic public figures. All of a sudden they are in bed with Cymbrowitz and Jeffries. Let us see how long this will last. All they need them for is to relocate the bathrooms away towards senior citzens' low income side. Cymbrowitz and Jeffries did not think this one through.
March 24, 1:56 pm
samuel from brighton beach says:
I looked on the Facebook page of Oceana Residents Protest & noticed that Mr. Dmitry Geyber made a video looking outside his condo apt.
His major concern was that these bathrooms are going to "kill his property value".
He wasn't concerned about safety issue etc. Only his property values.
If the DEIS stated that there were no safety impacts...why move the bathrooms...just to keep the property value of some disgruntled residents.
According to others that live in Oceana ther are sinkholes that resulted after hurricane Sandy , so I think you have more serious issues than just bathrooms.
March 25, 10:11 am
Robert from Brighton Beach says:
All of you guys are worry about wasting of taxpayers money ... You forgot one very important moment : it's Oceana's residents tax money !!!!
Oceana residents do not want some people waste THEIR TAX MONEY .... placing the toilets next to their children's bedrooms ...

They pay enough tax money to cover all needs of low income residents of Brighton Beach and another neighborhood next to it ...
March 25, 2:22 pm
boris from brighton beach(low income area) says:
If the residents of Oceana don't want the bathrooms in front of their windows..they are very rich...let them collect money to move them just like they collected money for the lawsuit...evidently they have very deep pockets!
March 25, 4:42 pm
Robert from Brighton Beach says:
Those bathrooms are created on THEIR tax money ...
Taxpayers are not unknown people ... taxpayers are people who live next to you ... that's your "rich" neighbors .. from Oceana. Somebody .. took their tax money and built those bathrooms in a front of their children's bedrooms. Now you are asking more money from them to pay to move those bathrooms ... ? Don't you think it's not fare at all ... even for "rich" ? Would you pay twice?
March 25, 5:29 pm
Beachgoer from Brighton Beach says:
You guys don’t offer anything but hate.
Oceana opposed and rallied against these toilets from day one. You didn’t.
Oceana went to court to fight them and won – fair and square. You didn’t.
Oceana didn’t ask to place these toilets anywhere near you.
It’s Parks Department who wants to shove it down your throat, not Oceana.
Parks wasted federal money and they are now looking to hide their waste.
Now.
Every problem you have with the loos – Oceana has it twice as bad – their apartments are much closer to the construction site than any other apartment in the area .
Their kids - they don’t just visit for a couple of hours in the summer, they live there 24/7/365 and they are closer to the construction site than any other kids in the area.
The Boardwalk at Oceana is HALF the width of that at the west of Coney Island location. Plus the trailers encroach upon the Boardwalk space another 9 feet at Oceana.
Any sane objective person who cares about the community would think that that’s where the toilet belongs – where it is wider, not narrower.
But you aren’t objective. In fact you don’t even mention the facts of the situation. All you do is spew your bile.
You have nothing to offer, but bias and hate.
btw. those who face these toilets at Oceana, they are all working stiffs professionals, teachers, bookkeepers, software developers, engineers, attorneys , doctors, nurses, retired college educators etc..
You should think twice before you and you lowely tabloids decide to incite hatred against American citizens who are the backbone of this community.
March 25, 5:41 pm
inga from Sheepshead Bay says:
Wow, so pathetic! Number one, I also pay taxes as many others, and my money also is being use to dance around Oceana. Number two, the court hearing was about safety and safety only. Since EIS came out saying that a structure is safe, what is about now? The toilet is not year around or 24/7 facilities. Also if Parks Department is willing according to options proposed build it much lower, so it will not obstruct the view, why move it to Shorefront Y without any studies? Why Oceana residents forgot their statements made back in November when they all spoke about safety. Yes Oceana residents are working people or business people, fine. I am a working person also as well as thousands of other. And what? The problem is that many residents of Oceana feel that they rule the world because their appartments are expensive, they can afford to buy politicians, but they are wrong. They will never rule the world! We are all, the people! We are all the community not only those who can afford luxury condos and top lawers to screw others
March 25, 8:34 pm
Beachgoer from Brighton Beach says:
Inga you are confused.
What does it all have to do with the fact that you pay taxes?
You are wrong about court hearing. In fact I am now convinced that you have never read the court papers.
EIS didn't "come out" - It hasn't even started yet.

Also I would like to ask you a personal question Inga.
Why you, a resident of Sheepshead Bay, are so keen in having a public toilet in front of other people's windows - 30 yards away from a residential building that is more than 2 miles away from where you live?
March 25, 10:20 pm
Robert from Brighton Beach says:
Dear Inga,
On your tax moneys Park Department can build the bathrooms in a front of your windows, if you really want it.
Just tell Park Department your address..
The only reason why you insist that bathrooms must stay in a front of Oceana's bedrooms is just jealousy to Oceana's people..
You think that they think that they are ruling the world....
Sounds silly ... isn't it? You created an imaginary enemy that keeps you busy fighting with it
Don't you think that you are hurting some Oceana's children, don't you think that you are hurting some senior citizens, who spent all their retirement money to live in Oceana ...
I do not understand whom you are fighting for ?? For yourself? You personally fill better if Oceana's people suffer?
It's a shame ...
March 25, 10:34 pm
inga from sheepshead Bay says:
First to Beachgoer, The DEIS came out, and I am not confused, You are right it is not a final study yet. but Oceana residents act like it is a done deal. I have never said a word about location but the way you, guys act, telling everybody that you pay taxes and have a say because of it, made me point out that I pay taxes also.
Now to Robert, I do not care how reach you are and what you can afford. I live where I want and who knows if my house is cheaper than your appartment. You care about your children, right? So why don't you care about other children attending Shorefront Y? You care about safety. Great, but how come you do not care that proposed structure that does not satisfy FEMA requirments will be placed in front of the only building in the area that was and will be the only recreation and recovery center in case of disaster? And stop talkimg about being "special". You are not!
March 26, 12:03 am
Robert from Brighton Beach says:
Inga,
my children are members of Shorefront Y. I do care about them. I think it's safer for my children if the comfort station is next to the public place , verse next to their bedrooms.
Nobody said that we are special...you said it , you fight against it ... Imaginary enemy ...
March 26, 7:54 am
boris from brighton beach (lower income area) says:
To the residents of Oceana who don't like the view :
Why don't you just put some trees in the lawn area between your building & the boardwalk.
The view will block you seeing the bathrooms & the trees will be a very big asset for water beiong absorbed & prevent flooding.
Show me in your purchase of your condo's that there is a clause that there woud always be an unobstructured view of the ocean??
You went from " I don't like the view & property value issues" to a safety issue back to a " I don't like the view" issue, since the DEIS found NO SAFETY ISSUES ON SITE.
Well, my cousin lives in Seacoast Towers & had a beautiful view of the ocean. When your monstrosity Oceana complex was built he lost that view.
The developer told him tough , we never said that you would always have an ocean view.
Move on people !
March 26, 10:54 am
Another Beachgoer from Brighton Beach says:
I am sick and tired of hearing about who is more special or who pays more taxes or who is spending more money to hire lawyers. There was a Brighton Beach here long before there was an Oceana You talk about a toilet smell but you had no problem smelling the stink from the sand around the lifeguard station that everyone was using as a toilet. You had no problem with your kids sitting and playing in the water and sand that everyone is using as a toilet. Get over it. This is NYC. Things are built in front of people's windows every day. I don't hear anyone in Oceana apologizing to all of the people in Sea Coast Towers who had a great view until Oceana took it away.
March 26, 12:04 pm
Sheeps from Sheepshead Bay says:
I don't understand why Oceana one-percenters are getting these $10 million bathrooms while there is barren beach next to Sea Gate where I can only go into my pants.
That's where the toilets belong. Not next to rich people who alrea, not next
March 26, 12:20 pm
Another Beachgoer from Brighton Beach says:
One more thing Beachgoer, you say that Oceana went to court to fight the toilets and won. Check your facts, you didn't win anything. All you did was get the city to do an impact study. That's it.
March 26, 4:13 pm
Robert from Brighton Beach says:
Dear Beachgoers and passionate Sheepshead Bay residents ....
I see that some of you are fighting not for the comfort station in the more convenient location that will be good for all and instead of generating a new ideas, trying to help people from Brighton Beach and beach goers you just trying to stop any discussions about ANY alternative location ..
I'm sick of this "get over it" ... that always comes from people who afraid of something ... It seems to me that some people very much concern about THEIR (ocean) view in a case of any alternative location ...
Guys , "get over it" , it's NYC, let bathrooms facing your windows and bedrooms !!!
March 26, 4:38 pm
Another Beachgoer from Brighton Beach says:
Robert It's not about convenient. Its about safe. That is what Oceana wanted when they went to court. Impact study tells you why high bathrooms are safest. Go read it. Most people who live in apartment look into other peoples windows. This is true in some Oceana buildings too. You see people with clothes on and people with no clothes. You see people doing things in their bedrooms and bathrooms. You see this all over New York it is nothing new.
March 26, 5:24 pm
Engineer from Manhattan Beach says:
1. Public toilets must be located where they best serve the public, which is next to the entrance to the beach.
2. Public toilets must be located where the Boardwalk is the widest, so they don’t impede pedestrian and emergency vehicle traffic
3. Public toilets must be located where the residential community is least impacted – at the farthest possible distance from a human dwelling.
March 26, 10:59 pm
Another Beachgoer from Brighton Beach says:
4. Public toilets must be located as close as possible to the busiest part of the beach where the most people are - Bay 1.
5. The closest part of beach to Bay 1 is where the posts for the toilets are already in the ground.
6. The further children and old people have to walk from Bay 1 to toilets means that they won't bother and will just go in sand around the lifeguard station making a big mess and bad smell.
7. The toilets should go where they were supposed to go.
March 27, 9:19 am
boris ( lower income area) from brighton beach says:
8. Positively agree with Another Beachgoer from Brighton Beach.
9. Get over it Oceana Residents !
March 27, 11:15 am
love the beach from Brighton Beach says:
The bottom line the bathroom doesn't belong in front of someone’s residence, in such a closed proximity. This is unethical and not appropriate. Our city is dirty and messy as it is, why mess up with some cleanness people trying to keep? The size of the comfort station is unreal, this is not a construction that should take place in the area where people live, walk, kids are playing, etc.. Perhaps in a huge park, but not close to a residential building. On top of it city is spending millions of dollars on such monstrous construction and don't care to fix the boardwalk, install few extra trash cans? Look around the entire neighborhood in a bad shape and we're trying to stick another crapper in front of dcent working people's window's, where kids come from school and do their homework, adults are coming from work and need time to relax instead of fighting with someone. This is insane!!!! Must stop ASAP. People who are proposing to stick the bathroom in front of Oceana, simply envious illiterate imbecile. Go do something more meaningful instead of sticking into someone else's business.
March 31, 4:26 pm
Sam from Brighton Beach says:
Why does it cost millions to build a toilet in the first place?
May 9, 10:35 pm

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