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Breaking the law: Locals are still fighting this zone-busting development on Kimball Street.
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Marine Parkers are torn over a proposal to rezone the neighborhood to pave the way for taller residential buildings in a surrender to zone-busting developers who are already building bigger than allowed.

Community Board 18 is urging the city to look at changing the age-old zoning of Marine Park and Mill Island because new families moving into the nabes can no longer cram all of their youngsters into the small homes that were built decades ago, said the board’s district manager during a meeting on Oct. 18.

“It’s antiquated. We were after them, city planning, to do something about rezoning Marine Park to give it a little bit more of the use,” said Dottie Turano. “They are little houses, they were little one-family houses, big back yards, big side yards, and room for growth.”

Currently, Marine Park — which is generally bounded by the neighborhood’s eponymous park, Kings Highway to the north, and Gerritsen and Flatbush Avenues on either side — boasts row houses that don’t breach more than three stories. And in parts of Mill Island, which is the peninsula part in Mill Basin, homes can’t go higher than two stories, according to city zoning maps.

But civic leaders were quick to defend the neighborhood’s single-family homes and suburban feel, and pointed out the dangers of upzoning, fearing that the community’s infrastructure and schools wouldn’t be able to handle an increase of people, traffic, and construction, said the local civic group’s head honcho.

“They are adequate. Many of our first immigrants came here and raised families that had an average of three to seven children in these homes,” said Bob Tracey, president of the Marine Park Civic Association. “It starts out innocently and then it expands into something that you have no control over. The infrastructure is not built for everything that’s coming in here.”

Locals have recently been fighting an uptick of illegal construction and developers who are sneakily erecting homes that already violate zoning laws, but some local leaders are saying that at this point, it may be better to just give up and make it legal for them, said CB18 chairman Sol Needle.

“What’s happening in my community, without the rezoning, they are doing it anyway, that’s the problem,” said Needle, who is also the president of the Mill Island Civic Association.

Turano pegged the need to rezone on the influx of large Orthodox families moving into the community, who seemingly have no choice but to either break the law or pick up and move elsewhere. “There are a lot of Orthodox families moving in there, and they are stopping because they are limited by how much they can do legally,” she said.

The board submitted the rezoning proposal in its annual expense budget to the city’s Office of Management and Budget and Department of City Planning by Oct. 31.

The agencies will review it and meet with the community as necessary, said a spokesman for the planning department.

If the budget item is approved, the application would then go through the full Uniform Land Use Review Procedure. CB18 would weigh in again with a non-binding vote on whether to approve the proposal, but that vote will only be advisory. Regardless of the board’s vote at the point, the proposal would then go to Borough President Adams, then to the City Planning Commission for approval, a then a vote in the city Council, and then on to Mayor DeBlasio.

Councilman Alan Maisel (D–Marine Park) — whose vote will likely determine whether the proposal passes the Council — said he would follow the lead of whet he heard from the community, but suggested he sympathized with the skeptics.

“It depends on how people in the community felt, especially the Marine Park Civic Association,” he said. “I would have to know impact. I would not want something to be overbuilt and get overly crowded. I would want to know impact and who would support. If people want it, that’s fine.”

Reach reporter Julianne Cuba at (718) 260–4577 or by e-mail at jcuba@cnglocal.com. Follow her on Twitter @julcuba.
Updated 2:00 pm, November 13, 2017
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Christine from Marine park says:
I would not want the zoning laws changed. People moved into this neighborhood for its small community feel. That shouldn't change because people want to move into this neighborhood. If you need something bigger move into a neighborhood that will accommodate your family. A zoning law shouldn't change because people are breaking it. The people who are breaking should be stopped.
Nov. 9, 6:24 am
Anthony from Marine park says:
I am a 32 year resident of Marine Park and love this neighborhood. One of the reasons I moved here was because of the suburban feel in a big city. This is a great working class neighborhood. We raised our family’s in these small antiquated houses. I wouldn’t change it for the world. Changing the zoning would ruin our paradise. If you want to see what we will turn into, take a ride to Williamsburg or Borough Park where I grew up. Your eyes will be opened. Let’s fight to keep Marine Park the place we all know and love.
Nov. 9, 7:53 am
Jackie from Marine park says:
I agree with all of the above. No to changing the zoning laws. If your family doesnt fit here then move elsewhere. Guys take a look at williamsburg and borough park, its overcrowded. We must corain our beautiful neighborhood!!!
Nov. 9, 8:46 am
Evelyn from Marine Park says:
Please don’t change the small town feel of Marine Park. I moved here over 40 years ago and the small one family homes homes is what drew us to this neighborhood. Please Mr Maisel, we voted you into office again, please don’t let us down.
Nov. 9, 9:12 am
Susan from Marine park says:
Those laws preserve Marine park as it is and should remain! Without that we will look like any other ugly over built neighborhood in Brooklyn. If people want ugly overbuilt neighborhoods without character they are free to move there. WHY move here and then try to force through these changes. There are plenty of places with larger homes!
Nov. 9, 9:57 am
John from Brooklyn says:
This is what happens when people who are above the law move into the neighborhood they have net works in city hall and do not get stopped
Nov. 9, 11:11 am
Doc from Marine Park, USA says:
I say a big NO to this stupid idea. Is this the new norm to handling law violators, just change the laws rather than enforce them? If a builder over extends, tear down the overage. Once you let one get away with it, every one will do it. One of the reasons this neighborhood is as desirable as it is is because of the small town feel of it. I have lived here for over 40 years, having grown up in Midwood. I raised 4 kids in my house, as have many of my neighbors. Every child does not have to have an en-suite bedroom. In my old area, the beautiful Queen Anne houses have been "renovated "into mini mansions filling up the entire plots. This game of Can you top this must not be allowed to infect our community. JMOIMBW
Nov. 9, 12:10 pm
Diane from Marine Park says:
I have seen houses along my neighborhood under construction and how huge they are being made. These homes are an eyesore and should never have been allowed to be built. I agree if you need a huge house then Marine Park is not the neighborhood. There are many other places to out down roots.It angers me that people are getting away with this.
Nov. 9, 12:13 pm
Terri from Marine Park says:
No stop the overbuilding.
Nov. 9, 12:55 pm
Connie from Marine par says:
Enforce the zoning laws.Fine the offenders.Marine park is beautiful .
Nov. 9, 1:28 pm
John M. from Marine Park says:
Ive lived in Marine Park for over 40 years i do not care who moves into this beautiful neighborhood but u have to realize that these homes were not made for large families. You want a large family buy a home that can accommodate that large family. Dont come into this neighborhood and try to change it. Dorothy Turano should not be against this community that always supported her and let this happen, and what i mean is and i hope everyone is on the same page, including Mr. Maisel, Mr. Sol Needle, and Sen. Golden, re-zoning Marine Park will not happen, please. Marine Park residents better understand that if u do not go to these CB meetings and Civic meetings your voice will not be heard and it will show that you dont care. Show your support by attending. Everyone should go to change.dot.org and start a petition to say no to re-zoning. This is what happens all the politicians turn around and say maybe its better to give up and let it happen. Well lets all band together and say no we will not let it happen. Also lets get one thing straight so there is no misunderstanding, I do not hate anybody who wants to move into Marine Park, I hate whats being done to it. Start that petition.
Nov. 9, 2:08 pm
John M. from Marine Park says:
I want to add to my comment, its true, laws have been broken, but nothing was done about except stop work orders., so re-zone Marine Park and no laws get broken, thats called giving up. When the first of many complaints were called in, nothing was done except stop work orders. What should have been done was the illegal buildings should have been taken down, and what i mean just the illegal part only, why did this not happen. Remember the inspectors and contractors that got arrested, just saying.
Nov. 9, 2:18 pm
Courtney from Marine Park says:
When does Alan Maisel vote and when does the Marine Park Civic Association meet? We need to come together as and really make our voices heard.
Nov. 9, 4:30 pm
Patrick from Marine Park says:
No to rezoning.
We fought for this in the past and saw nothing done.
Special interest groups will get there way, and Marine Park will lose what little bit of beauty it has.
Cars parking on lawns, illegal curb cuts. Filthy streets.

I think we have lost it already
Nov. 9, 5:17 pm
Michael from Marine Park says:
I have lived in Marine Park for 30 years.. have raissd my children here and have seen so much change. While I support rennovations and qaility work.. REZONING is a big NO NO! Our sewer systems cannot support the amount of sewerage that would be created by the larger homes, our streets cannot support the additional cars that would need to park on our streets, and lastly why? Why would you want to do this to such a great place.. protect our neighborhood and stop the build!
Nov. 9, 5:31 pm
Bettyanne Donohue from Sheepshead bay says:
I grew up in Marine Park, my parents lived there all their lives also. I grew up on East 36 off of Fillmore, MY PARENTS HAD 10 kids. They did not aler the house in anyway. We were not the only family in Marine Park with a large family. It’s really WRONG of people to move into a neighborhood and expect to change it. You shouldn’t be looking at a neighborhood that does not fit your needs. It’s wrong to change the neighborhood. Leave Marine Park along.
Nov. 9, 6:08 pm
Maureen from Marine Park says:
My family has been here since 1940's. I spent my summers here as a child because you felt like you were in the suburbs. Why should zoning laws be changed because people want to move here. Any one is welcomed as long as they do not change the character of the neighborhood. I go back to where I was born where zoning rules were changed. It has made it lot awful. If you plan on having a big family then do not buy here. I have many families that raised anywhere from 1 to 10 children in these homes. So it can be done why do we have to change for someone who can't handle small quarters.
Nov. 9, 7:09 pm
Vito from Marine park says:
If the marine park civic association is not getting there laws enforced, perhaps a few of us need to file a lawsuit against the city!
Nov. 9, 7:11 pm
Mike V. from Marine park says:
Living here for 25 years. There are lots of jewish people that have moved into this neighborhood in the past 10 years. While i may not get along with all of them, a good bunch of em are nice. Many of these families that are living here already need more room. The real estate prices are so high that moving isnt monetarily possible. As i am close to retiring, changing the zoning will increase my property value, which would be very nice!
Nov. 9, 8:13 pm
Susan from Sheepshead Bay says:
Please, do not change the zoning laws of Marine Park!!! I live in Sheepshead Bay, but spent a lot of time in Marine Park as my grandparents owned a home on Avenue R between E. 36th and 37th streets...a home my father was born in. It's such a beautiful area!! Take a short ride down to my area...Avenue U and Ocean Avenue, and see how they ruined it!! Not only are the homes, and buildings, ugly, the neighborhood is crowded and dirty!! I plan to move to Marine Park in the next few months...please, don't let that neighborhood go to he'll, also!!
Nov. 9, 11:39 pm
Sheila from Marine park says:
We have lived inthe neighborhood for over 40 years and fell in love with the small town feel. For the past ten years parking has become difficult. It takes at least 10 more minutes to get out of the neighborhood because of the increased traffic. And the need now to add more lights and stop signs. Our infrastructure can't take any more congestion. This neighborhood for many years had very large families and there was no restructuring to the point the feel and shape of the neighborhood changed. Not only is Williamsburg and borough park congested now sunset park is overly congested. With the two family houses being converted into single room only houses. No parking for blocks. No rezoning and no tonsil needle and Dorothy Turano she feels instead of fining these owners who take the law into their own hands we should reward them and fine us who follow the laws. We all should go the next community board meeting as well as marine park association. I am tired of people not respecting our rights If the neighborhood does not fit your needs move to one that does.
Nov. 9, 11:49 pm
Kathy for Marine Park from Marine Park says:
I have lived here for 45 years and the reason I came here was because of the suburban feel. Now you cannot find parking on your own block, there are traffic lights on every single corner, traffic on each and every block is out of control. It is now like living in Manhattan. There will be no peaceful place left in Brooklyn if this continues. If a family requires a larger home for their family needs they need to find that home somewhere else. Rules are meant to be obeyed not illegally made to suit some. Schools will be overcrowded, parking will be horrendous it is already. Please try to keep neighborhoods as they were meant to be, a safe and peaceful haven for generations. Who are these city officials that are approving permits for building that is not zoned nor suited for our neighborhood. They need to be fined, fired and held accountable.
Nov. 10, 12:22 am
sal starapola from marine park says:
I have lived in this beautiful neighborhood for close to 40 years. I say no to rezoning. Our streets are over crowded. Our homeowners taxes are too high. Schools are overcrowded .Bus transportation to the train is over crowded Enforce the laws that are on the books. Stop the Bull! The builders and the Mayor are illegally expanding.... Where is the bribery investigation? Do not just give them small fines but put them out of business and make sure that these crooks are put in jail. Marine Park Civic Association Start filing law suits to stop This unlawful building.
Nov. 10, 9 am
Mia from Marine park says:
Can we leave a part of bklyn that gives people that small town feeling alone. If you like that city feeling there are plenty of places you can go. I don't want to see large buildings over my house. I spent a lot of time in park slope in the 80s and 90s now it looks terrible with big buildings on 4th Ave people just passing through not neighborly more trash on the streets and forget about parking I do not want that for marinepark thats why I settled here. Give the people who enjoy small town feeling a place to not much to ask.
Nov. 10, 9:37 am
Jim from Marine park says:
This is not borough park
It is not crown height
It is not Williamsburg
This is MARINE park!!!

We don't need any changes.
But the community board is part of the pay to play actions of this corrupt democratic administration and thier high rollers. This change will happen just like the bike path no one wanted.
No
Nov. 10, 2:56 pm
Patti from Marine Park says:
Keep the zoning laws as they are! Please don't ruin my neighborhood!
Nov. 10, 4:35 pm
Anthony from Marine park says:
Maybe we start looking at some of our community representatives like ms Turano and mr needle etc. to see why they so easily want to give in to these developers rather than fight for the people who have supported them all these years. Pay to play? Just saying.
Nov. 10, 7:13 pm
john m from marine park says:
I am so happy to see more comments about this re-zoning it shows me that we do care. Hey Maisel you knew from the very beginning how we felt about this so don't pretend you did not. Ms.Turano and Mr. Needle my neighbor lives next door to this illegal construction and he was fined by DOB because his garage did not meet the building codes. It has since been corrected. But you, Maisel, and Golden have allowed this building to stay along with all the other illegal constructions with out nothing being done. DOB inspectors that have come to look over the course of months of complaining say there is nothing wrong. Ms. Turano stated at a CB 18 meeting that we will have to look into these into illegal constructions, but you, Ms. Turano, from the get go knew all along you and the rest of the cronies you associate yourself with were planning to have Marine Park re-zoned. Golden got himself involved from the beginning when we sent to his office the petition to stop the illegal construction, guess what people, haven't heard from him since. I think I may call Eye Witness News investigative reporters, and maybe the Brooklyn District attorney to investigate why this was allowed to happen. Go to the Marine Park Civic meeting this Tuesday and lets voice our feelings especially to Maisel if he shows up. Dont forget to go to change.org to start a petition NO-RE-ZONE of Marine Park.
Nov. 11, 1:44 pm
A b from Marine park says:
This story mentions members of the turano family don't clearly indicate the corruption that is involved in this process. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/04/27/nyregion/carl-kruger-sentenced-to-seven-years-in-corruption-case.html
Nov. 12, 1:24 pm
John from Marine Park says:
So glad that someone added the Carl Kruger web site to show the politicians and members of CB 18 that have associated themselves with one of the most corrupt politicians. This is why the re-zoning was presented to the city by CB 18 rah rah mouth piece Turano because Kruger is a very close friend and I do mean close of Turano. Remember the Marine Park civic meeting is November 21 please let us all b there and let Maizel know how we feel because he’s known all along how the community feels not what he states saying I have to see how the community feels.
Nov. 13, 9:26 am
John from Marine Park says:
Marine Park Civic meeting is Tuesday November 21st not tomorrow. Let your neighbors know to attend this very important meeting so we can let Masiel know how we feel if he shows up.
Nov. 13, 10:39 am
Lillian from Marine Park says:
I knew change was coming to Marine Park when I saw traffic lights going up on ever other corner. It is very disheartening to see new unsightly constructed properties like one on East 33rd St. Between Ave.R and Fillmore Ave it is unsightly (large dark grey box) and has taken away the Marine Park charm to our block I agree with all the previous comments made by my neighbors. I say "No" to the rezoning of Marine Park.
Nov. 13, 6:10 pm
john from marine park says:
Marine Park Civic meeting November 21st..lets all attend. tell your neighbors and the neighbors tell your friends and lets get to this meeting where we have an SRO crowd.
Nov. 14, 5:15 pm
Linda Mangracina from Marine park since 1956 says:
This is a special place it should be treasured not changed people who live here love it for what it is , Stop changing our home and go find what you need someplace else.
Nov. 16, 4:48 pm
fran from marine park says:
Can anyone tell me where the Marine Park Civic meeting is being held on the 21st?
Nov. 17, 1:55 pm
john from marine park says:
the meeting is held in the building in marine park on filmore ave. Nov. 21 please lets all attend. i think it starts at 7pm
Nov. 17, 11:19 pm

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